Today we're joined by Eli and Paula from rival game studio Ninja Kiwi. Ninja Kiwi are best known for their Bloons series of mobile games. There's lot more talk about 2013 Tomb Raider and what makes a good quick time event. We go wildly off topic into Russia's Space Program and New Zealand's earthquakes. We talk Hearthstone, Final Fantasy 7, Doom 4, Amnesia, Outlast. We discuss whether or not VR is just a fad, and our guests answer a bunch of listener questions.