Jonathan Rogers, Co Founder of Grinding Gear Games, joins us for a chat about the good times and the bad times of developing Path of Exile. What it's been like building a studio that started in a garage. And what other games he'd like to make one day.

We discuss the importance of a good show reel vs qualifications. Nick paints some beautiful word pictures. Blake is still trying to convince everyone that Dark Souls II is a good game. Saveun has now bought three copies of GTA 5